far too many people try to defend the technology as if the issues with “gen” AI aren’t inherent to LLMs as a whole. it’s tiring.
far too many people try to defend the technology as if the issues with “gen” AI aren’t inherent to LLMs as a whole. it’s tiring.
I would say yes, yes, and yes. Mainly I’m trying to say that even if the environmental and societal factors were solved, LLMs would still be pretty fundamentally fucked, as I also said in another comment in thus thread.
I thought about this a while ago and while its more subjective and personal, I hope it helps illustrate what I’m getting at. If someone subconsciously, or even intentionally, put a piece of a song or words or whatever that I wrote into their own work, I’d feel downright honoured. I’d appreciate some credit if possible (I already think lack of attribution is an issue among creatives sometimes), but even if not, I’m happy knowing my art had enough of an effect on someone to weasel it’s way into their own! That’s amazing! On the other hand, if a piece of something I made similarly wound up in someone’s own “creation” because of an LLM, I’d feel empty, as it means nothing. Less than nothing, in fact. I’d be really upset by it.
I hope that helps?
the OC asked why its fascistic and you answered essentially with “when it outputs something trained on my data, it feels bad, thus fascistic”.
Maybe I’m missing something, but not liking something doesn’t make is fascist.
EDIT: I guess imma add this: fascism is bad. but bad doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fascist.
I can see where this guy is coming from, after all, the collection and conglomeration of everybody’s information is very fascist-esque, but reading their second comment I’m not even sure if that’s what they mean
They’re honestly kind of just rambling about it not feeling good to be plagiarised from, which comes across as a little odd
I was trying not to repeat what I already said in my other big response in this thread, so I just added another, more subjective point. Sorry, OC.
However, while its mostly my own perspective, I think its still based in the same argument: taking inspiration from someone through appreciation of their work is (usually) honouring it. If nothing else, it shows that person’s art impacted another’s. An LLM, though, does nothing more then shamelessly regurgitate bits and pieces of that and other works in an aimless fashion. There is no rhyme or reason or thread of inspiration to retrace.
Theres a reason fascists hate creativity, colourfulness, and differences between people: it goes against everything fascism stands for. LLMs were made with the intent to homogenize and steal from creatives, all while passing off output as at least somewhat original. I wouldn’t call Canada fascist, even though we do many fascistic things, like any country under capitalism. Not being strictly fascist doesn’t make those actions or laws any less so, however, and an LLM made by a non-fascist doesn’t make the concept of am LLM any less fascistic.
I don’t think you know what the word fascist means.
AI art is bad, therefore fascism?
When I first saw the post I wondered if that was a carefully defined stance or a linguistic shortcut, and its fine both ways, really, but I was a philosophy student, this is my thing
“inherent” is a strong word, and perhaps fascistic tendencies (not convinced as to whether the whole thing is fascistic yet) are an inherent aspect to the kind of llm we are aware of. There’s a but: would it be impossible to create an opt-in LLM database? It wouldn’t happen in the world we currently know, but if we talk about inherent characteristics, that’s the exact thing we need to talk about (you don’t have to care about this at all, there’s no law about what words mean what, but it makes it easier to share ideas without confusion. And judging by the comments, there has been confusion). Do I think we could benefit from an LLM? While I hate chatbots with a passion, they dont have to be chatbots. Deep.ly is a translation only LLM, I used that back in 2018-2019 because that was the very best automated translator available for free and I had pages of technical stuff to translate (maybe they changed since then, idk). Translation can be both utilitarian and artistic, I certainly wouldn’t want a robot to translate poems, but even if, would that be fascistic?