I just wish more places put handles on the paper bags.
I don’t mind a paper bag, but I hate having to, like, roll the top to carry it. Just give me some handles. Even a reinforced hole cut in the bag. Anything.
Reusable bags. Bonus that you can find something that checks all your boxes and its all yours. Paper bags should be last resort and they should charge 10c to discourage their use.
I’d happily pay $1/paper bag with handles, just for the convenience. That’s about what it’s worth to me.
I’m absentminded as all hell, and I’m not gonna remember to bring an armful of bags into the grocery store with me. And then, if I’m not using a cart, I gotta carry them around? Nah.
I mean, it’s a super first world problem, and not a big deal at all in the grand scheme of things. But in all honesty I’d rather just pay $1/paper bag than have to deal with it.
Damn, that hurts me to read haha. Like, I get the absent mindedness thing, but it’s a ridiculously easy step that if all 330 million people in the US (I assume that is also where you are from, sorry if I’m wrong) were to stop then it would actually have a tangible effect on resource consumption. Obviously that isn’t going to solve all of our problems, but the whole idea of ‘whatever, this is slightly more convenient’ should instead be ‘eh, it’s not that much of a hassle.’ I think that’s fully the fault of 100 years of that mindset being pushed down our throats in the form of CONSUME, but we’ve got to break free of it if there’s ever going to be a chance.
I’d be really interested to see a quantitative analysis of how much difference it would make if all 330mil of us swapped to renewable bags.
My gut is that paper bags are pretty clean overall, and that grocery bags are a tiny fraction of paper usage in the US. But I’d be really interested to be proven wrong.
My quick search keeps popping up the statistic of 14 million trees for 10 billion paper bags used annually in the US, but in 1999 so I’m sure that is higher. You’ve also got to consider the high energy usage and large environmental concerns of paper mills. I don’t know if you’ve ever been near a paper mill, but they’re known for their air pollution, they make entire towns stink.
This stat taken from http://www.forestecologynetwork.org/climate_change/plastic_or_paper.html
ENERGY TO PRODUCE BAG ORIGINALLY (BTUs) Safeway Plastic Bags: 594 BTUs Safeway Paper Bags: 2511 BTUs (Source: 1989 Plastic Recycling Directory, Society of Plastics Industry.)
I do think the BTUs portion is less concerning in the greater context. Both 600 and 2500 are negligible compared to, say, my daily commute, or a single plane trip, or basically any other activity that requires energy.
But the first part is kinda interesting. Doing some super sloppy back of the napkin math, I think that makes paper shopping bags about 6.5% of all paper products made in the US. Paper products account for around 50% of all wood products in the US, so call it just over 3% of total wood use (which may have gone up some due to increased prevalence of paper lately.)
Which isn’t nothing for sure. I would have guessed lower. I do think it may be overstating it to say we’d see a huge shift if everyone started using reusable bags overnight. A 3% drop in timber harvesting would be good, but not world changing I would think. But not insignificant either.
Again, I want to point out this is a minor change that you can make that if everyone did, would have a positive impact in this world. Huge impact, maybe not. But when our entire society is built to destroy the planet that we require for life, we need to remove as many cuts as possible.
I hope this doesn’t come across as rude, but conversations like this one are the reason that I have zero faith in humanity. It’s easy to point fingers as the obvious evil we have going on in the world, which clearly has more of a direct threat. But even if we were somehow able to rid the world of the truly despicable, we’d still be left with a world full of ‘its more of an impact than I thought, but still not so bad’ people. And our planet cannot continue on like that. It absolutely amazes me how many people (including good friends of mine) who think the same way. And there is no way to change this mindset, its as ingrained as any of the bigotry and hate on the other side. We just have no chance against this.
The timber part is no big deal - it’s all farmed trees and sawmill waste product. The water and energy use to make them, store them, ship them is more significant.
I have never in my life found a paper bag with handles that will hold groceries. I’d need easily twice as many to hold all my groceries vs my reusable ones.
Have you ever shopped at a Trader Joes? Those paper bags are by far the best paper bags that I’ve ever used, and can carry about as much as my reusable ones.
I assume handles cost more money to produce. But yes, bags without handles are useless if you’re shopping for the week.
They are also kind of fragile, if you put any force on the handle in any way other than directly vertically up, they fail easily. And they can still easily fail from a heavy bag or if the handle twists at all.
I am not from US but…
Your paper bags don’t have handles? WTF? That’s not a bag - that’s a fancy packaging paper. Where I live, paper bags have handles made from…paper. Just tightly twisted, the same bag itself is made of, and it holds astoundingly well. You can feel when when the bag is too heavy to handle, but as of today, I only had bag itself give out rather than handles.
I’m starting to think Vermont is pretty awesome
We had laws put up in Toronto. All it did was let corporations make more money off us. The bag fee was not ever required to be given to the city, the stores just kept it. And now instead of getting a plastic bag at the store, i get yet another reusable bag that is worse than. 100 bags and I’ll never use that many times
Bruh what are you talking about? The reusable bags you get from chains here (Shoppers, Canadian Tire, etc) are fantastic quality “cheap” bags. Canadian Tires’s are massive
Don’t get me started on IKEA bags, those cost like a dollar and are absolute top notch (especially now that they have the pride ones)
No more free bags for lining small trash cans, hiking trash and for the car
Yay more paper bags for my compost however
I don’t live in Norway but where I live in the US plastic bags have been illegal for years
I get mine from visiting family in MA, they always have so many extra
Paper works for all of these purposes.
Good on you Vermont, proud of you
But but but I was told that it would result in a plastic bag gray market or something.
