• grinning_serpent@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I’m not familiar with the doings of Vietnam in this century, but China has become progressively more market oriented and “open.” It likely would have followed the Soviets into insolvency if they hadn’t created those “special economic zones,” or whatever the term they use is.

    I’m not really sold on the idea that Marx and Lenin got it all figured out. Most regimes that stuck close to their ideas ain’t around anymore, and the ones that still are aren’t the nicest places to be.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      What’s important to recognize about the socialist market economy of China is that it’s entirely in line with Marxist understandings of socialism, in short that markets are useful at low levels of development for socializing production, and that larger firms are better off folded into the public sector. The dictatorship of the proletariat stands at the top, facilitating this economy, and gradually folding in the private elements as they grow.

      I don’t agree that the PRC would have been dissolved had they not gone through with Reform and Opening Up. The soviets did not dissolve for economic reasons, even though their economy had slowed a bit it was still very healthy. Instead, reforms from Gorbachev and Khrushchev weakened the socialist system, creating disunity among the various SSRs and rising nationalist movements. The USSR did not collapse due to an unsustanainable economy, it was killed from the top-down.

      I do believe that Reform and Opening Up was correct, arguably it was more traditionally Marxist than the Soviet model. The Soviet model was largely pivoted to in the 1930s to prepare for World War II, as they desperately needed heavy industry. Without such an immediate pressure, China has been able to take a different path. No country on Earth presently follows the same Soviet model, Cuba recently had economic reforms making themselves more similar to Vietnam, Laos, and China, and the DPRK practices its own form of juche socialism. Each socialist country however has its own unique characteristics, and thus are all similar yet different.

      Marx and Lenin were overwhelmingly correct for their time, and the majority of what they wrote still holds true. However, conditions do ultimately change, and thus we enter new eras. Lenin never lived to see Neocolonialism become the basis of imperialism, for example. However, the core of Marxism-Leninism remains correct, and dialectical materialism allows us to infinitely adapt as the world infinitely changes. That’s why Marxism-Leninism is an “immortal science.”