• rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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      I’ve learned of one interesting pathway from ancap to socialism long ago, as you might have guessed, through Georgism, but more generally - every finite resource that can’t be produced, like territory and laws of nature, shouldn’t be owned and should be considered common property shared by communist means. What can be produced is private property without limitations.

      Thus you can own guns, tanks, jets and air carriers, but you shouldn’t be able to fully own territory and patents, because that eventually leads to legally reinforced monopoly.

      I think there’s a logical connection from that to what our future looks like and how it will have to be resolved. Unless we want a caste society.

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      I would have no problem getting anyone at r/conservative to pull up similar data points and statistics to show immigrants are taking jobs, contributing to crime statistics or any other claim. It’s very eerily similar to the emerging opinion on the left when compared to opinions on the right towards immigrants.

      Regardless of validity of opinion. What I’m noticing is the role the media has played on shaping opinion and fed it.

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        I would have no problem getting anyone at r/conservative to pull up similar data points and statistics to show immigrants are taking jobs, contributing to crime statistics or any other claim.

        You’ll find conservatives rarely bother trying to do this because it’s simply statistically not true

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          22 hours ago

          Absolutely not true. I find more often they use lots of statistics. That’s the whole facts over feelings thing.

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            22 hours ago

            I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say that, and actually mean it, for the past 8 years…

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              Then you’re in a bubble. One of the most frustrating things about the right currently is they have a large network that is very good at sharing information. They have a much tighter grip of current events than anyone I’ve seen on the left. The left are miles behind on any current events. Whenever something is happening, I’ve been heading over to right wing spaces because as much as I hate it, they tend to know things much faster and in more detail then the left wing spaces.

              Just look at Lemmy here. Most information is a post and then 100 comments of talking about how upset we all are and gob smacked. But there is no further insight.

              When I go to right wing spaces, it is similar but i do get extra information like background details about who individuals were or what led to an event that isn’t in an article. It comes with tons of bullshit but I trust I know ways to verify information enough to spot the bullshit.

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        The media is very predictable for sure. They put on the rose-colored glasses for the pro argument, and sensationalize the worst fears for the con. Historically, the truth lands in the middle.

        Unlike the topic of immigration, with the massive wealth inequality of today, anything benefiting corporations over the working class is far more likely to work out in their favor.