• Octavio@lemmy.world
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    “If you guys damage the US economy, I will do even more damage to the US economy.”

    —stable genius

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      Threatening to throw a tantrum if one’s opponents gang up, is only an admission of vulnerability and an invitation for opponents to gang up quicker.

      Besides, the EU has already held consultations with China (which got a tariff raise last month) about how to adapt to the situation. Both have previously used response strategies aimed at Trump’s support bases. They’ll do it without hesitation.

      And if Trump is going to enact “far larger” tariffs against every big trade partner, he’ll knock the US economy into a recession.

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    Canada, all you have to do is outlast us, then buy us up for cheap once Trump decides to give up.

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    On a different note, so goodbye to the smallest and cheapest cars in the US market. Porsches will be fine though

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    From the guy who complains about having to pay for stuff, pretending it’s a subsidy.

    Sure, we can reciprocate. Further, the more tariffs he puts on, the more likely we all are to remove trade restrictions on other partners.

    Guy responsible for the “great success” USMCA hates the “unfair” USMCA.

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    Krasnov really means that he will TRY to destroy Europe if they don’t kiss his ass.

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    He can not seem to grasp that your enemy is allowed to fight back and if you make enemies of friends eventually that is all you will have.

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      He can not seem to grasp

      …anything, really. And his closest henchmen know this well, too! Just read the entire chat on Signal.

      They’re just using him because he pulls (or used to pull) public consensus, while working around his bullshits.

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        He’s just gone. Nothing’s going on upstairs. I sometimes think of an ancient clip of Ali G trying to sell him some kind of ice cream glove and there was enough brainpower to realize it was bullshit and try to get out of that situation. Now tho, there is nothing there. He doesn’t grasp the most basic things.

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    It’s like he can’t comprehend that other people would react to his actions.

    He raised tariffs, other nations reduced trade with the US and looked elsewhere. If he continues to raise tariffs it will inevitably cause the US to be isolated in trade.

    It’s not even a shocking/daring tactic, it’s a self destructive tantrum because his misunderstanding has led to mismanagement and now he’s doubling down

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      it will inevitably cause the US to be isolated in trade

      That’s the goal. He isn’t a Kremlin asset, he is a Pyongyang asset, implementing Juche in the US ;)

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      It’s a move to spur domestic manufacturing and move the US to Autarky — straight out of Hitler’s playbook; albeit an incompetent attempt because he’s a mentally challenged degenerate.

      Autarky isn’t bad — covid highlighted the weaknesses that capitalism and globalism created for every economy — but Trumps goals are not risk mitigation or “national security”, and he certainly intends for it to enable imperialist wars and conquests. The fact is the allies won WW2 largely because of US manufacturing capacity (Europes was destroyed). China could take Taiwan tomorrow and the world would have to let them as we are entirely reliant on Chinese manufacturing; they could cripple us if they halted exports.

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        I agree with almost everything here, but I don’t think an embargo on China would be as damaging as you think it would.

        It would hurt, don’t get me wrong, but China is largely in the position it is now because the developed world was looking for cheap labour and China fit the bill. There is no lack of underdeveloped nations who would gladly shift their economy if it meant they could support a fraction of the manufacturing supply that China currently commands. Africa and South America (not a single nation, I know but this is true of many African and South American nations so I’m combining for simplicity’s sake) is positioned both politically and geographically, to be a sudo-China in terms of manufacturing if the wider world decides to embargo China-proper.

        The US and EU pulling out of China would devastated them far more than it would affect the former. I’d like to think that the EU at least, would be willing to withstand some economic damage to aid another nation in need.

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          I’m not well read on india’s modern manufacturing capabilities, but I do know that they have been trying for a while to up their manufacturing exports and entice jobs that would normally go to china. 1 billion ppl is a competitive sized workforce.

          If America and EU needed an immediate substitute, india could fit the bill.

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            This is exactly it. There are plenty of options, removing what is currently the best option just means picking the next best and so on and so on until we reach stability

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          Not really, for the same reasons Russia’s economy is now in the shitter: sure they could sell oil to another country, but changing the whole infrastructure is not something that can be done in days. Same with moving the whole production of goods to a completely new country.

          Also consider that nowadays western countries have lost the knowhow to produce efficiently goods (while their service industry still remains unmatched)

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            I can see the point your making. I’m not suggesting it’d be easy but if we moving to Russia as the example Russia would be the standin for China, not the wider world.

            Russia’s economy is now shit because they got embargoed, as China’s would be, it hurt the wider world briefly, but that has mostly passed.

            And I didn’t suggest western countries take on the brunt of the manufacturing, I suggested it should be countries that would benefit from the overhaul to their economy

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    Isn’t trump the one actually pushing economic harm to the US? Maybe he should look into that.

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    do it, cunt. the US relies on the EU and its neighbors way more than they rely on the US. you don’t even make shit anymore, and whatever you do make isn’t up to standards anyway. no one needs the US.

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      The only thing the US exports is tax avoiding, minimum viable product supplying, data collection companies.

      Not only does the rest of the world not need that shit, they’re better off without it.

      Fuck the US and everything it has come to stand for.