End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem,
I’ve already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise."
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent.
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people?
Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0. Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
It doesn’t really matter why though. A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available. Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it. A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart. The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
So far your body if lawmakers have failed.
So you’re end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people…and the criminals will still keep theirs.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people?
Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)… you’re left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.
Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this…
Also, we’re not at the ammo box stage yet. You don’t start a war when you have voting options left.
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
Yea because how someone is murdered doesn’t matter…cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and…you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because…kids die? If we’re going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
Yep, and it’s mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It’s only when a school gets shot up. Which means you’re assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other…and they’re not going to use some other means.
It doesn’t really matter why though.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don’t have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.
A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available.
Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn’t have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I’ll give you a hint, it’s 4xs higher than all rifles.
A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart.
You’ve never fired a gun have you? It’s not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who’s stabbing someone stops and thinks “I shouldn’t do this”…
The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
There is no comparable country. That’s the problem.
Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings
Reality, from 2022
Firearms were the leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the United States for the third consecutive year, and homicides accounted for the majority of gun deaths among the age group, a new report found
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence…aka the murders you don’t care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that’s outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
Just dipping in here to say that you’re going on my block list because you argue like a little weasel with qualifiers like “all rifles” because you know that otherwise your argument is shit.
My guess is this was a handgun, and he had no criminal record. My guess is there was no gun safety required or taken, but this still may have happened and it’s tragic. But as for school shooting, criminal, and gang violence, there’s a shit ton of laws that could make it more difficult and less likely, without taking away the right for self defense.
What laws will do that? You know it’s illegal to convert a firearm that’s semi-auto to automatic? Yet gangs and kids who aren’t even allowed to own them, post videos of their handguns online, and the ATF and local law enforcement doesn’t do shit about it. So I’d love to hear you’re thoughts on what laws would curb gang violence and school shootings.
One of you? I may be the only one. This isn’t a widely accept idea.
Most Americans refuse to specific the height of the dead child pile needs to be before they tap out.
owning pools, alcohol, or hell overfeeding their kids
All of that combined doesn’t come close to approaching the gun death rate of children.
You’re the kind of dismissive asshole that requires the repeal. You’re the reason we cannot have nice things.
I don’t expect you to accept it anymore than a child rapist can accept a child wasn’t flirting with them. Both you and them would immediately eat a bullet the moment you understood your culpability.
One of you? I may be the only one. This isn’t a widely accept idea.
Naa, amongst the anti-2a crowd. Those who think more laws will magically fix things are just quietly wanting all guns banned but saying that to the rest of the populous won’t have people jumping on board. Instead they give vague “common sense” gun control bullshit as rhetoric.
Most Americans refuse to specific the height of the dead child pile needs to be before they tap out.
Most Americans don’t actually research shit. They watch 24 hour news channels and assume that a mass school shooting happens 5 times a day.
All of that combined doesn’t come close to approaching the gun death rate of children.
Yea it does, removing suicide, it’s higher. Nearly 1k kids a year drown, 250+ a year from drunk drivers…
You’re the kind of dismissive asshole that requires the repeal. You’re the reason we cannot have nice things.
My firearms have never harmed anyone. What they have done is stand between cops and BLM protestors. They also have killed a many number of paper targets.
I don’t expect you to accept it anymore than a child rapist can accept a child wasn’t flirting with them. Both you and them would immediately eat a bullet the moment you understood your culpability.
Lol yea I’m the dismissive one. What a childish thing to say.
Literally there are laws that say he can’t have a firearm…do you wanna make it more illegal?
End of the day you want an outright ban. It’s ok, just say that’s what you want.
Make sure you also include alcohol in that list as it kills way more people a year than guns do.
End of the day, you believe that a few hundred shooting deaths per year are a price worth paying for your gun fetish. Just out and say it “I don’t care how many people die, I like guns”.
Now say that with alcohol replacing it. Also with drownings… because those kill more people /children, than with all rifles combined.
Go ahead and say it.
“I don’t care about people dying, just how they are killed because that’s what I’m afraid of. And I’d rather disarm minorities and the populous while fascist are in power, because they’re not coming after me. I’m a white male.”
What kind of stupid fucking argument is that?
We’re all ok with pools requiring fences and child safe gates, and your insurance is going to be higher if you have one. But kindergartens aren’t doing alice drills because of mass drownings in schools.
You think there aren’t laws designed for people like this not to acquire firearms?
People can put up a pool without a fence.
More children die by a magnitude of 10 compared to those killed in school. 800-1k a year drown. Less than 50 kids a year are killed in random school shootings. And that just drowning, add in alcohol related deaths, and the number shoots way way up.
Yet you’re ok with pools. Which serve zero purpose. Firearms at least have a purpose.
So yea you don’t care that kids die, you only care how they are killed.
Those drills are also as pointless as the nuclear drills from the 60-70s… they’re pointless and do nothing but cause kids to become fearful of shit that is more rare than them drowning.
So your argument is 'the law is ineffective, so we best just give up. Maybe focus on some tangental issues, but don’t do anything to solve the actual problem, which is the ease of obtaining a firearm, legal or otherwise." Because all of the homicides by firearm are a n acceptable statistic for you as long as you get to keep your guns.
And the difference, by the way, between pool deaths and road deaths and all the others you cite, and guns: intent. The number of people who just snap one day and decide ‘I’m gonna drown my entire family on the pool’ or ‘I’m gonna drive my car through that bitches house and kill her’ is so statistically insignificant that there is no cause to protect society from it. Whereas guns allow such easy access to death that the homicide can be perpetrated before there is any time for rational thoughts. Just pick up a gun, bam, one more dead person.
Where did I say that? Murder is already illegal. You gonna make it double illegal?
I’ve already explained the problem, you keep focusing on the tool used. More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined. Yet $100 says you support another pointless AWB dont you?
Please please wise one, tell me how you plan on enforcing your ban on a country with 450+ million firearms in circulation.
Considering that (I’ll point this out …again) alcohol kills more people…yep you’re damn right I’m not giving my firearms up until you can magically fix the issues in this country starting with the fascist fucks who are in power.
So…again. You don’t care how they die just that guns were the cause. Knives and hands/feet kill more people a year combined than all rifles do…but like I said above you’d be for another AWB.
So…again. You don’t care how they’re killed, just that guns did it, so they’re bad.
Just swerve into civs…one more dead person…just grab the kitchen knife…one more dead person.
Everything you’re listing has one thing in common that you can’t seem to focus on. Why they did it in the first place. Your bandaid solution is “ban all guns” (because let’s be honest, criminals don’t follow laws, so making more restrictions matters zilch to them, they’ll get one from the black market).
Well, funny, I thought we had whole body’s of professional lawmakers to handle the details like that, didn’t realise I had to do it personally. But OK. A staged approach over 5 or 10 years, with increasing severe penalties for possession, starting with amnesty and buyback, ending with life sentences.
How does alcohol kill more? Are you talking health effects or drunk people killing people? Number of firearms used to prevent the fascist takeover which is currently in progress in the country: 0. Number of firearms used to kill a mother and cause life changing injuries to a teenager on Christmas eve: 1 (at least. Let’s face, there were probably more)
Guns are the most common murder weapon in the US. Combining several categories to obtain a higher rate is disingenuous. Stating that other weapons are also used in murders does not detract from the fact that guns are overwhelmingly the murder weapon of choice.
Your comprehensiom skills need some work. A swimming pool is not the go too murder weapon in the majority of cases. If it were, we could and should discuss how to deal with that. But it’s not.
Most murders are perpetrated against a specific victim with whom the murder has some sort of grievance. Not random acts of violence. Even so, if cars were being used to murder people at the rates guns were, I’d expect action.
It doesn’t really matter why though. A decision is to kill, and the means to do so, against which the victim is completely defenseless, is instantly available. Moreso than any other weapon. Even if you decide to stab your girlfriend to death, you still have to at least get close enough to do it. A gun is just instant murder. Which means there is no time for second thoughts or changes of heart. The US has a higher murder rate than any comparible country precisely because murder in the US is so easy
So far your body if lawmakers have failed.
So you’re end goal is a total ban. Good luck finding people who want to go door to door removing firearms from people…and the criminals will still keep theirs.
12k~ people a year are killed by drunk drivers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
Removing suicides, DGUs and cops killing us(1k a year)… you’re left with around 11k deaths homicide wise.
Yes because I remember now that we defeated Nazis with thoughts and prayers.
And you think that it was the guns fault? Not that an abusive piece of shit did this…
Also, we’re not at the ammo box stage yet. You don’t start a war when you have voting options left.
Yea because how someone is murdered doesn’t matter…cause only guns count right? You snap your fingers and magically make the guns vanish and…you really think that people are just gonna stop being violent and killing each other?
We were talking about kids, and more kids die from drowning than from school shootings, but you want guns banned because…kids die? If we’re going to use your logic then pools probably should go first.
Yep, and it’s mostly gang violence, not random, but no one gives a shit about that. It’s only when a school gets shot up. Which means you’re assuming that taking the guns away is going to stop people from murdering each other…and they’re not going to use some other means.
It absolutely does matter. Crimes of passion are very few, most are from as you stated between two people who know each other and done spur of the moment. Most of which is gang/drug violence. Which is grown from people who don’t have safety nets or support systems to help get out of the loop.
Are you suggesting that a 110lb woman would be able to defend against a 200lb man if he didn’t have a gun? Firearms are literally the greatest equalizer.
Do you think that most murders happen at a large distance? Do you even know how many people are killed each year via knives alone? I’ll give you a hint, it’s 4xs higher than all rifles.
You’ve never fired a gun have you? It’s not a 1 shot kill machine. Do you really think that someone who’s stabbing someone stops and thinks “I shouldn’t do this”…
There is no comparable country. That’s the problem.
You, cherry picking
Reality, from 2022
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/13/guns-children-teenagers-united-states-report/75198121007/
Yep. Age 15 to 17 is the majority of those deaths, and the majority of those are from gang violence…aka the murders you don’t care about, because you and everyone else points out school kids.
Also that’s outdated. Cars are the number 1 cause of death in kids again. Only reason it was guns was because of covid and no one traveling.
Just dipping in here to say that you’re going on my block list because you argue like a little weasel with qualifiers like “all rifles” because you know that otherwise your argument is shit.
People want black scary rifles banned… that’s why there is a qualifier in there, but guess this won’t matter because you’ve blocked me lol
My guess is this was a handgun, and he had no criminal record. My guess is there was no gun safety required or taken, but this still may have happened and it’s tragic. But as for school shooting, criminal, and gang violence, there’s a shit ton of laws that could make it more difficult and less likely, without taking away the right for self defense.
What laws will do that? You know it’s illegal to convert a firearm that’s semi-auto to automatic? Yet gangs and kids who aren’t even allowed to own them, post videos of their handguns online, and the ATF and local law enforcement doesn’t do shit about it. So I’d love to hear you’re thoughts on what laws would curb gang violence and school shootings.
Yes.
I’m ready to repeal the second and I’m not shy about it. Americans aren’t capable of owning guns.
Any reasonable country would have taken pause after sandy hook, American went, “more guns!”
You and your kond refuse be adults about this so it’s time for the rest of us to take away your toys.
Anyone that disagrees can get fucked, enabling the murder of children is worse than pedophilia.
There it is. Glad at least one of you can say it.
Now make sure you’re ok calling anyone else who agrees with owning pools, alcohol, or hell overfeeding their kids worse than pedophiles…
One of you? I may be the only one. This isn’t a widely accept idea.
Most Americans refuse to specific the height of the dead child pile needs to be before they tap out.
All of that combined doesn’t come close to approaching the gun death rate of children.
You’re the kind of dismissive asshole that requires the repeal. You’re the reason we cannot have nice things.
I don’t expect you to accept it anymore than a child rapist can accept a child wasn’t flirting with them. Both you and them would immediately eat a bullet the moment you understood your culpability.
Naa, amongst the anti-2a crowd. Those who think more laws will magically fix things are just quietly wanting all guns banned but saying that to the rest of the populous won’t have people jumping on board. Instead they give vague “common sense” gun control bullshit as rhetoric.
Most Americans don’t actually research shit. They watch 24 hour news channels and assume that a mass school shooting happens 5 times a day.
Yea it does, removing suicide, it’s higher. Nearly 1k kids a year drown, 250+ a year from drunk drivers…
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm
My firearms have never harmed anyone. What they have done is stand between cops and BLM protestors. They also have killed a many number of paper targets.
Lol yea I’m the dismissive one. What a childish thing to say.