Walk into any music store. Or bookstore. Or a Half Price Books, which sells both. People are sick of paying for the capricious hands of streaming to tell them what they’re allowed to watch or read or listen to on any given day.
Walk into a specialised sex-store for a very specific fetish, and you’ll see lots of people with that very specific fetish.
I don’t think that would mean that the fetish is taking over society.
Yes, I know that some people value physical media. But most don’t. Most people value convenience. That’s what enables enshittification. If everyone was actually as sensitive to corporate bullshit as the people who you’re talking about, corporate bullshit wouldn’t survive.
I’m not talking about “everyone in the world,” I’m talking about “more people than ten years ago.”
Yes, I understand what you mean. I still don’t think you could find numbers to support that. While some of the people who are interested or even aware of the ideas that we’re talking about, sort of media erasure and who actually even owns the thing you’re watching, I’d argue those people are a tiny minority. I’d argue that for instance, my grandma and dad passing away in the last few but I’ve gained a niece and nephew, the population of my family has stayed essentially the same, but now there’s two people less who have ever even listened to physical media, let alone still owning it.
So I’m just… politely disagreeing with you. I understand I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty confident I’m not. I think the niche is smaller than the change in attitudes towards technology. Hell, 10 years ago quite a lot of people my age still had DVD’s, but that’s way less common in the general population now. Movie buffs, maybe, but I don’t know any anymore who actually collect movies. Or well, I suspect I do, but like people I use to be friends 10-15 years ago. Or like technically probably still am, depending on your definition.
Anyway, that’s the way I see it and unless we get facts on the table from somewhere, I don’t see how we could agree in this.
Honestly…this is the first time in a decade or more that I’ve actually believed anyone online who said something like that. Hey, you’re cool. I like this sort of disagreement.
Anyway, that’s the way I see it and unless we get facts on the table from somewhere, I don’t see how we could agree in this.
“We face each other as God intended. Sportsmanlike. No bad faith arguments, no logical fallacies…fact against fact alone.”
“You mean…you’ll put down your anecdotal data and I’ll put down my cherry-picked personal experiences and we’ll try and convince each other of our points like civilized people?”
Same. I think sales figures for new works could provide a partial picture, but not anything definitive. The only thing I found in my short research (I like doing big research binges, but don’t have time for it today) was this article, which is far from a mic-drop but it sure is interesting.
I just like to discuss things.
Same. Sorry for jumping down your throat earlier. I assumed a tone of you that you weren’t using.
Physical media is coming back because owning is better than licensing.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Walk into any music store. Or bookstore. Or a Half Price Books, which sells both. People are sick of paying for the capricious hands of streaming to tell them what they’re allowed to watch or read or listen to on any given day.
Walk into a specialised sex-store for a very specific fetish, and you’ll see lots of people with that very specific fetish.
I don’t think that would mean that the fetish is taking over society.
Yes, I know that some people value physical media. But most don’t. Most people value convenience. That’s what enables enshittification. If everyone was actually as sensitive to corporate bullshit as the people who you’re talking about, corporate bullshit wouldn’t survive.
Most people are idiots. What can you do?
I’m not talking about “everyone in the world,” I’m talking about “more people than ten years ago.”
I recognize that the internet is allergic to context and nuance, but seriously.
Yes, I understand what you mean. I still don’t think you could find numbers to support that. While some of the people who are interested or even aware of the ideas that we’re talking about, sort of media erasure and who actually even owns the thing you’re watching, I’d argue those people are a tiny minority. I’d argue that for instance, my grandma and dad passing away in the last few but I’ve gained a niece and nephew, the population of my family has stayed essentially the same, but now there’s two people less who have ever even listened to physical media, let alone still owning it.
So I’m just… politely disagreeing with you. I understand I might be mistaken, but I’m pretty confident I’m not. I think the niche is smaller than the change in attitudes towards technology. Hell, 10 years ago quite a lot of people my age still had DVD’s, but that’s way less common in the general population now. Movie buffs, maybe, but I don’t know any anymore who actually collect movies. Or well, I suspect I do, but like people I use to be friends 10-15 years ago. Or like technically probably still am, depending on your definition.
Anyway, that’s the way I see it and unless we get facts on the table from somewhere, I don’t see how we could agree in this.
Honestly…this is the first time in a decade or more that I’ve actually believed anyone online who said something like that. Hey, you’re cool. I like this sort of disagreement.
“We face each other as God intended. Sportsmanlike. No bad faith arguments, no logical fallacies…fact against fact alone.”
“You mean…you’ll put down your anecdotal data and I’ll put down my cherry-picked personal experiences and we’ll try and convince each other of our points like civilized people?”
Nice reply, thanks.
But yeah, I don’t really mind if I’m right or wrong in this, this is just what I know I believe at this point.
I could be assuaded to believe that the use of physical media has increased, given proper figures from something relevant.
But I’m unsure what numbers those would be. Sales? Sales of new works, used works? Production of new physical media?
I don’t know.
I’m not too bothered by this, I just like to discuss things.
Same. I think sales figures for new works could provide a partial picture, but not anything definitive. The only thing I found in my short research (I like doing big research binges, but don’t have time for it today) was this article, which is far from a mic-drop but it sure is interesting.
Same. Sorry for jumping down your throat earlier. I assumed a tone of you that you weren’t using.